Comments on U N L O A D E D: Part III: Giving the Gift of Boob

yeah. i see my body as a machine that is one singl...

2008-05-20T15:21:00.000-04:00

yeah. i see my body as a machine that is one single device, not a collection of parts.

whatever i do to one aspect will effect the whole, so i tend to do execises that include as much of the entire device as possible.

soccer, bicyling, walking and even the gym execises tend to be ones that make as many muscles as possible work together.

this approach freaks the "body-builders" out though, because they focus on one bit at a time and, like catholices, believe they are the only ones entitled to the "ear of god".....(in this case, mucularity and strength.)

Dr.A - Indeed we can all fuss about our various bo...

2008-05-18T22:05:00.000-04:00

Dr.A - Indeed we can all fuss about our various body parts to the point of madness. It's a delicate balance. When you see the bigger picture of what exercise can bring, which is well beyond appearance, it's an amazing thing.

ricardo, you are right that looking good is a plea...

2008-05-18T18:24:00.000-04:00

ricardo, you are right that looking good is a pleasurable thing.

i tore my left bicep some years ago and had it repaired surgically, but it is noticably shorter now and that bothered me for some time (about fiteen seconds.) before i decided to focus on something else instead.......and so to change my whole idea of exercise and athletics...i picked different goals and looked for ways to attain them.

and no more hour-long bicep workouts.

Dr.A - There is no doubt that training and trainin...

2008-05-17T15:57:00.000-04:00

Dr.A - There is no doubt that training and training consistently is much better then training on again and off again.

As for your ex wife, I can understand the bitterness. While there is nothing in our male universe that ever compares with pregnancy, we would not be happy if we lost our vigor at a rapid rate. This is why you see some older men trying to exert themselves beyond their means to prove they still have "it." That's the best parallel I can muster at the moment. Also, as it has become more acceptable in recent years for men to fuss about their appearance, I would imagine an accident or illness that prevented them from working out would be a sore spot as well. To see the gains amassed go away would be a blow. Now to be clear, I'm not at all comparing pregnancy to an illness but it is traumatic to many women's bodies. I have read blogs where mothers say they didn't mind losing their figure but I'm sure there are many who would. And to work out and eat right and still not be able to get back to where you were is discouraging for many of them I'm sure.

And yes, happiness does start and end from within. But what we need to explore here is when the inner happiness reaches a point that it wants to manifest itself in the external world. Is it wrong to want reach a point of inner happiness where one wants to show and feel it with an improved appearance? This is an inside out approach as opposed to an outside in one. I think no matter what, we want to look good because looking good is feeling good and vice versa.

i will have to say that i`m somewhat fortunate tha...

2008-05-16T10:28:00.000-04:00

i will have to say that i`m somewhat fortunate that i have a body that responds well to training and that i haven`t spent years not training or not being careful about what i eat.

i find it difficult to even discuss things like abs with most of my friends because they would have to diet for months if not years to see muscle in thier stomachs.....implants or not.

but, having said all of that, my ex`s body was effected negatively after our second child was born and i watched her age rapidly after that. she trained hard and watched her diet but it wasn`t enough and i saw her become bitter as a result.

would surgery have helped her? her body may have been restored, but she would have still been the same inside.

regarding depression, the act of writing here really helps the writer to feel good (which is the opposite of bad, right?) in a way that others can share.

i began writing when my marriage was beginning to disintegrate and it was a major part of my coping.

....so yeah, happiness starts and stops inside......and when we feel happiness we make better decisions about diet, excersize, relationships, money and everything else.

Dr.A - You do know that they have ab implants out ...

2008-05-16T00:24:00.000-04:00

Dr.A - You do know that they have ab implants out now correct? While I find it silly, he can always do that if he wants them that bad. LOL! And I totally understand the your take on staying fit. I am of the same mindset. I do it more for me and as a way of staying healthy. It has done wonders in reducing my depression. Physically, I have become much stronger which is gratifying to see and feel. But it's a personal thing. If women notice and like the results, I won't stand in their way.

MsQ - I LOVE Dr.A's comments and I'm very fortunate to have him as a reader. His insights are very valuable.

Dr.A - Yes I can see the implants themselves carrying big ugly logos and companies offering women discounts if they have the corporate logo tattooed on their chest.

MsQ - As long as you go out, go on the internet, pick up a magazine, g shopping or anything else that puts you in contact with the outside world, you CAN'T hide from it. You can avoid it but eventually you have to deal with it and face it. I tried to avoid it myself but I have found it much more fascinating to observe and write about it here. And we know how crazy that can get. :-)

Dr. A: what you wrote about consumer and fragmenta...

2008-05-15T23:35:00.000-04:00

Dr. A: what you wrote about consumer and fragmentation is pretty freaky. But not, unfortunately, all that far-fetched: People sell physical "real estate" for marketing purposes!

I am sure that I'm affected by all the marketing despite my efforts to avoid it all but it seems like so many people are open to letting others tell them who, how, and what to be.

ms.q, thanks for the kind words. i am grateful for...

2008-05-15T18:14:00.000-04:00

ms.q, thanks for the kind words. i am grateful for knowing this real girl who happens to be more than the sum of her um, parts.

the consumer society is so fragmented in it`s thinking that pretty soon boob jobs will be carrying logos to distinguish the cost of the work and the attendant status which such spending commands in a platic world.

Dr. A: You always have such great comments! Glad y...

2008-05-15T17:24:00.000-04:00

Dr. A: You always have such great comments! Glad you're with someone who likes the sum of your parts and not just a few parts.

I can see how someone going on and on about some PART of me would begin to annoy me.

i still miss my flat-chested girl. intensely sexy ...

2008-05-15T09:28:00.000-04:00

i still miss my flat-chested girl. intensely sexy woman.

regarding body image, a friend of mine has a girlfriend who is crazy for the "six-pack" to the point where she goes on about it so much it is pissing him off.

he has choices. diet. ab work. get rid of the girl. continue to allow her to make him feel like shit, etc.

the only real choice any of us have is to find happiness however we can....without harming others of course, but where does real happiness come from?

a woman gets "work" done, and then discovers some men don`t like them....some are nuts for them...some are ambivalent.

but what about her?

do they like her any more now?

is she happier now?

i have a "six-pack" and some girls love them, some are ambivalent, and some are threatened at the thought of a boyfriend with a body like that......unless she is there all the time with him.

*sigh*

and so the one i`m with now has never once made a comment on anything but how good she feels when we are together.

but i still train each day and ride a bike and play soccer.....because i get pleasure out of those activities.....for me.

They all have the letter Q tattooed on their bell...

2008-05-14T00:52:00.000-04:00

They all have the letter Q tattooed on their belly.

Eeek! Fertility!! If there are any "good eggs" lef...

2008-05-14T00:17:00.000-04:00

Eeek! Fertility!! If there are any "good eggs" left I have no plans to use 'em. Not that there have been any sperm donors in the vicinity...

xxoo

2008-05-13T19:37:00.000-04:00

xxoo

Maritza - Stay tuned, my dear!!!Mleah - This inter...

2008-05-13T00:56:00.000-04:00

Maritza - Stay tuned, my dear!!!

Mleah - This interview is going to be the biggest and bestest EVER!!!

MsQ - I LOVE this acronym you've come up with. Further proof that you have at least thought of this sisterhood. The rubbing of the belly is symbol and acknowledgement of your fertility. Your leadership implies that you may be a fertility goddess.

Inneresting.I deny all rumors that I have formed a...

2008-05-13T00:25:00.000-04:00

Inneresting.

I deny all rumors that I have formed any type of group, much less a Secret Sisterhood.

I also vehemently refute that if I were to form such a Sisterhood, that I'd name it NIPPLES. I mean, really.

No Improving Perfection, Perfectly Lovely, Extremely Sexy.

It makes no sense. Especially the rubbing my belly part. Why would I want women rubbing my belly?

Men on the other hand...

You have certainly touched on many of the typical ...

2008-05-12T22:39:00.000-04:00

You have certainly touched on many of the typical boob job candidates!

Cant wait to read the interview!

*wink wink*

This is getting very interesting!

2008-05-12T16:49:00.000-04:00

This is getting very interesting!

MsQ- I'd also like to add that I think in order to...

2008-05-12T00:22:00.000-04:00

MsQ- I'd also like to add that I think in order to get into the secret sisterhood, they must rub your belly. :-)

MsQ - "Really, the best thing is to for people to ...

2008-05-12T00:19:00.000-04:00

MsQ - "Really, the best thing is to for people to be healthy and comfortable in their own bodies. "

Indeed.

"in addition to reading, writing, and arithmetic, they would teach courses on managing your finances and minimally, self esteem."

This is more worth it than a bullshit course in geometry. Unless you're going into engineering or something.

I still think you secretly wish to lead a braless, small but perky boob revolution. I will not believe otherwise. I think you have a secret sisterhood in your local area that you started.

Lead a revolution? Eh! Really, the best thing is t...

2008-05-11T23:49:00.000-04:00

Lead a revolution? Eh! Really, the best thing is to for people to be healthy and comfortable in their own bodies.

I am sure small breasts were in style at some point. No pun intended. That entire "Twiggy" thing was all waifs, right? Where the women had no hips, no breasts?

Every so often I have this fantasy that in addition that in addition to reading, writing, and arithmetic, they would teach courses on managing your finances and minimally, self esteem.

It'll be interesting to read what your interviewee has to say!

MsQ- No, most men are going to want the whole pack...

2008-05-11T21:40:00.000-04:00

MsQ- No, most men are going to want the whole package as you said. And small or large, if you don't wear a bra we men will notice like hawks. It's the nipples.

And as for the matters of tans and body fat, you're spot on. Will the pendulum swing to small boobs? Will MsQ lead this revolution? You could very well be a trend setter.

But seriously, these women do seem to be on a quest to achieve perfection as they see it. What you and I think is a distant last place from what I see.

Enemy: hahaha! I never was into bras when I was yo...

2008-05-11T18:22:00.000-04:00

Enemy: hahaha! I never was into bras when I was younger. I'm flat chested so I thought, why bother? I'd wear tank tops and these spandex crossover things I just pulled over my head and I called them my "giant rubber bands." Plus, bras were always a big pain, I didn't have enough mass to keep the bra in place and the straps would keep sliding down. I called all the constant readjusting of the bra throughout the day the "bra dance."

Seems we were doing the same thing but for different reasons! I was also told that if I didn't wear a bra that I'd regret it. My thought was, "Yeah...gravity is gonna pull on...what?"

What's so funny is that I had no idea that men paid attention to what little I had! I was talking to one of my male friends from college and I forget the context but he said, "Oh, yeah. We all noticed you didn't' wear a bra."

Yeesh! I was usually in a tee shirt UNDER some type of sweater or sweat shirt.

Ricardo: I also think that it's not all about male expectations that these women are getting boob jobs. Like you, I can't quite pin it down but women seem to have this desire for physical perfection and at some level think that achieving it will make them happy. "Perfection" changes - I mean, fat used to be desireable and now it's not. Having a tan meant you were of a poor class and later..only rich people could have tans. It's all quite odd. Tall men are thought to be more attractive.

What's sexy is confidence and self-acceptance. People who like themselves ... they are so nice to be around, haven't you noticed? It's because they don't want anything from you and they don't have to take anything from you to make themselves feel better. My guess is that enemy is very sexy!!

Maybe it's because it's obvious that I'm not hiding any boobage (like, oh, in my back pocket) but I've never dated anyone where serious breastage was a requirement. Most men I meet are about the entire package and not just parts!

Enemy - This is the thing, I don't think many of t...

2008-05-11T14:58:00.000-04:00

Enemy - This is the thing, I don't think many of these women are doing it for men so much as a way to make themselves feel better. Granted I do believe that some married women on this site are getting that pressure but it seems like many of them are chasing some sort of fantasy. I can't put my finger on it. Good for you on opting to work out. So many people WILL GET THE RESULTS THEY WANT if they shut up, get on the floor and do the push ups or sit ups. Best of all, it's FREE!!!

MsQ - Again there are male expectations that are put on women that are just not fair and there are female expectations of men that go crazy also. It's important to see that while men like big boobs, not all of them have it listed as a requirement. For instance, I won't pass up the opportunity date an attractive woman with a lean athletic body or a bit of fashion model body. They tend to be smaller chested. When I say fashion model, I don't mean eating disorder skinny...just sleek...if you will. I’m enjoying where this discussion is going with you and Enemy so I will step back and let things foment, hoping that others will join.

Enemy – “when I lived in Spain then came back to this country, I had stopped wearing bras—“
Never too much information!!! I look forward to meeting you soon. :-P

Well, Ms Q (Ricardo, you will love this), when I l...

2008-05-11T14:29:00.000-04:00

Well, Ms Q (Ricardo, you will love this), when I lived in Spain then came back to this country, I had stopped wearing bras--sorry to give out too much info, but let's say I'm not flat chested. In Spain no one gave a damn, but here I got stared at, commented at-- finally I was told that I would regret it later in life. I've always hated bras and always will. So I compromised: I wear sports bras, camisoles, and for that special event, some Victoria secret bras that look good (or so I'm told) and feel comfortable. This is another reason I've always wondered why women want big breasts--they are such a pain, but men sure dig them. I like men fine--even married one, but I would never increase my breast for a man--pregnancy was bad enough!!!!

Ricardo: very cute comment! Not sure if I want eve...

2008-05-11T12:58:00.000-04:00

Ricardo: very cute comment! Not sure if I want everyone poking or rubbing my pooch for luck...but maybe a few individuals... hehehe...

Enemy: Love what you said about men and their expectations! I'm with you on working with what you have and accepting the changes that age brings.